I spoke to Jerry O’Connell recently about his new series Carter, which is scheduled to air August 7 on WGN America. O’Connell plays Harley Carter, an actor playing a detective on a hit television show, that is until he suffers a very public meltdown. Seeking a much needed escape from the Hollywood life, Carter heads back to his quiet hometown. While there, he finds himself using the experience from his TV series to investigate actual crimes.
Despite countless series utilizing unique law enforcement pairings — from a con-man working with the FBI on White Collar to a writer working with the NYPD on Castle, — O’Connell doesn’t see Carter as just another cop team-up but an homage to this kind of entertaining police procedural. There was a reverence in his voice as he spoke about these other shows and their comparisons to Carter.
While his answers stray off topic at times, I really enjoyed hearing what O’Connell had to say about life in general and the series. In a time where old shows are coming back, fans of the hit series Sliders might find hope in what he has to say about a possible reboot.
As someone who enjoyed many of the shows O’Connell says Carter is inspired by, I’m looking forward to checking out the new series.
Carter premieres Tuesday, August 7 at 10/9c on WGN America.
Tracy: Hi. I just wanted to thank everyone for joining the call this morning with Jerry O’Connell. He stars in WGN America’s newest detective comedy, Carter, which premieres on Tuesday, August 7th at 10 p.m. Eastern and 9 p.m. Central. Jerry plays a Hollywood actor turned detective, Harley Carter, on the show. We just wanted to get him on the line so we could—
Jerry: I actually don’t turn detective. I think I’m a detective. I don’t actually turn one.
Tracy: Right, right, sorry.
Jerry: That’s okay. It’s a Hollywood actor who thinks he’s a detective—a Hollywood actor who wishes he was a detective.
Tracy: Exactly. So we can pretty much get started. I’m just going to open up to Vicky, who will queue you for questions, and then you can ask questions of Jerry.
Moderator: Our first question comes from the line of Greg Staffa with Your Entertainment Corner. Please go ahead.
Jerry: Oh, what’s up?
Greg: Thanks for taking our questions today.
Jerry: How are you, man?
Greg: An actor who plays an actor. Did you use any kind of experiences from your own personal life as an actor? Have you added anything to your character that actually happened, where you thought wouldn’t this be fun if we incorporated that?
The second part of it is, with actors like Dean Cain joining the Idaho Police Reserves, is there any interest in some kind of law enforcement down the line for you?
Jerry: Hi. First of all, who was that, Dean Cain went to a reserve?
Greg: Dean Cain joined the Idaho Police Reserves.
Jerry: Did he really?
Greg: Yes.
Jerry: Okay, well first of all, let me answer the second part first.
Greg: Sure.
Jerry: That’s great for Dean Cain. There’s no way in real life doing anything remotely close to doing anything in law enforcement, I have the upmost respect for them and I couldn’t handle it. I’m not smart enough to be a cop in real life, so I tip my hat to him. It’s a lot more fun playing a guy who thinks he’s a guy because he plays a guy who’s a cop on TV.
Yes, it’s funny, Carter, I spent six years on a show called Crossing Jordan, where I played a cop, and it was a real procedural. There was a dead body at the beginning of the episode and then we went through a bunch of suspects and maybe got a clue at the end of Act 3. Then there was a chase scene at the end of Act 4. I loved working on that show. I loved the whole cast. I loved our star, Jill Hennessy. But it’s funny, after about four seasons a lot of the people start to move on and you’re sort of like, I don’t want to complain because you’re getting paid and people hate actors who complain about their jobs because it really is a cushy, great life, but you do artistically feel like, man, I’ve done 100 episodes of this and it’s the same thing.
It was really fun when I read Carter because it’s about a guy who plays a cop on TV who gets a little disillusioned with that life and then finds new life in helping out his high school sweetheart, who is a real-life detective, helping her solve crimes, and it sort of invigorates him. It really made me laugh. There’s a lot of inside jokes, like trying to explain to the real cops the five-act structure of television and how we’re getting close to finding out who the real killer is.
Admittedly, it’s a lot like Castle, except Castle was a novelist. It’s almost like Castle on steroids because this guy’s a TV actor, so if you’re a fan of the Law and Order’s and the Monk’s and the Castle’s, this is going to be your show because it sort of makes fun of that world.
Look, I promise I’ll try and make these answers shorter and more interesting than that
Greg: You mentioned earlier the grueling pace of doing like 100 episodes for a series. Was the ten-episode season, was that something that played an influence in you, or is that just not that important, or how do you approach taking on a full season that we’re used to versus more and more shows going down to the ten-episode season?
Jerry: I don’t know. I wish I could answer that for you. It’s the new way of doing things. I mean it’s just above my pay grade, but it does seem to me that that’s more the way TV shows are being made this year is ten-episode seasons. I don’t know why that is, streaming services, maybe they change it up in schedules more. I don’t know.
Greg: Does it feel different while you’re filming? Of course the filming duration is different, but does it feel tighter?
Jerry: Yes, I’ve got to tell you, I’ve worked on shows where we did 24 episodes a season, and that’s crazy, man. There is no end in sight. With ten episodes I can be more energetic in it. I can definitely be more energetic. I can’t explain it. It’s just being able to see an end date that is doable, it’s cool. I like this new sort of ten-episode system, just doing ten episodes at a time. But why they do that, I don’t know. You’ve got to ask Bob Iger that. That’s like a media mogul question.
Greg: I’m looking forward to seeing it. Thank you.
Jerry: Yes.
Moderator: This question comes from Tiffany. Please go ahead.
Tiffany: Hi, I’m just kind of curious as to the arc of Harley Carter in his story on the show. Is he looking to rehab himself as a person, like his character personally, or is he trying to just rehab his image in the public? What motivates him to kind of go down this path?
Jerry: It’s funny, I don’t think it’s a way to rehab his image. He hasn’t done anything damning, I don’t think. I think it’s more rehab for his soul, sort of go home.
I will say this, where we shot in Northern Ontario, oh, man, it was almost like rehab for my soul, it’s so gorgeous. It’s just lake country in Northern Ontario. It’s a town called North Bay. It’s super gorgeous and calming and soothing, and everyone was so happy that we were shooting there. I’m just not used to that. I’m used to shooting—not to call out cities, but I’m used to shooting in the city where people are always yelling at you for shooting in front of their store or blocking their driveway with a camera truck. It was just so refreshing to film in such a non-hostile environment. It really became sort of like a character in the show, the fact that we were shooting in a small town, and North Bay is just such a cute, quaint place.
But I don’t think my character’s trying to fix his image. I think it’s more about him getting his head straight.
Tiffany: Okay.
Moderator: This question’s from the line of Terry. Go ahead.
Terry: Hi, Jerry. How are you today?
Jerry: What’s up, man?
Terry: Oh, not much. Not much. I’m happy to get to talk to you. I’m a huge Sliders fan. I know it’s a bit of a dated reference, not really applicable to what we’re talking about today, but I—
Jerry: No, actually, Sliders really—it’s funny, I was trying to get on a flight and I was a little bit late, and I was like, oh man, I’m going to have to take the next flight, and the guy at the desk said, no, we can get you on this flight. I mean literally the flight was leaving in 35 minutes. He put me on that early flight and then I made it through the security and I finally got to the gate, and it was the same guy who was at the ticket counter at the gate. I gave him my ticket and I said, “Hey man, thanks for getting me on this flight. You didn’t have to do that.” He went, “Hey man, I was a huge Sliders fan.” I can’t believe Sliders is 20 years later getting me on flights. It really made me laugh.
Terry: Whatever works.
Jerry: Yes. Hey, there might be a reboot. There’s been a couple of phone calls made.
Terry: Really?
Jerry: Yes. No phone calls returned, but a couple phone calls made.
Terry: Well, I hope that happens. My question for you regarding Carter is, I’ve seen you in a lot of different roles, from Sliders to you have a recurring arc on Billions, and a number of different things. But Carter is a little bit different. How much of you is like Harley Carter?
Jerry: Man, it’s so embarrassing to say, but a lot of Carter is like me. Thankfully, I’m not as vain as the character of Carter is. He’s always worried about how he looks in situations, or that could just be my version of Garry Shandling’s old joke, “How does my hair look?” Harley Carter is a television actor. I’m a TV actor. I like to think Carter is a little more obsessed with himself than I am. I’m not wearing makeup right now and I have a feeling that Carter is always wearing, not a lot, but some form of makeup when he leaves the house, at least concealer.
Terry: Got you. One last question for you. What is it about this series and the character in particular that appealed to you when you looked at the project?
Jerry: I don’t know. I think it’s just because I’m, A, a fan of all these procedural shows. I’ve admittedly seen every episode of Monk. I loved Castle. I thought Stana and Nathan just had the best rapport. I’m a huge Moonlighting fan. Dave and Maddie were the best. I think it’s like Carter pays homage to all those shows, but it’s even a little more inside because what if someone who works in and grew up watching all those sort of procedural homicide shows, what if they helped solve crimes?
It’s just like the jokes really made me laugh. When I’m explaining to the cops that the one who did it is going to be one of the suspects that we met earlier that we didn’t think did it, that’s always the case, and then it doesn’t turn out that way. Then everyone’s like, see, it’s not all like television. But then in the twist it does turn out that it’s them and I go, ha-ha, I told you. It just really made me smile and I thought it would make a fun hour of television.
Terry: Alright, thank you, Jerry. I appreciate your time.
Moderator: The next question comes from the line of Phyllis. Please go ahead.
Phyllis: Hi, Jerry. How are you?
Jerry: Hey, what’s up?
Phyllis: I’m good. Thanks for taking the time to talk to us. I apologize. I came on late, so I’m not sure if this has been asked already, but I like the premise of a group of friends getting together to solve crimes. You’ve gone back to your hometown with Sydney’s character, and can you talk a little bit about the relationships you have working with them this way?
Jerry: Well, it’s really funny. First of all, Sydney is gorgeous, Sydney Poitier, and she is the most important character in the show because I can be goofy and talk about TV, and how everything works in TV, and how we find a killer in TV, and how Columbo would do it, and that’s fine. If there isn’t actual stakes, if you’re not actually really invested in the show, then it just doesn’t work. Sydney’s ability to ground our show, that’s everything. That’s what makes our show, so we’re all forever indebted to her and her ability to do that. Kristian Bruun, for you Orphan Black fans, is just so fun to work with as well. Getting to work with those two is just a dream. We have a good old time on set. We approach every scene like, let’s have fun making this, and I think it really comes across. I don’t think we had one fight, and it’s crazy because all I do is fight with co-workers.
Oh, we did have one fight. Kristian got mad at me. It was really late in the day and our director was yelling at us to come and they were yelling for Kristian and he was talking. I didn’t want to say his name in front of the boss because I didn’t want—you don’t want to call out another employee in front of your boss—so I was like quietly snapping at my leg, like yo, yo, yo, he’s calling for us. So I was like, yo, yo, yo and I was snapping. He jumped up and he said, “Don’t you ever snap at me again.” So, Kristian and I did get into one fight, but you can ask him about that. I apologized profusely for snapping at him, but I was doing it because I didn’t want to say his name in front of my boss, who was freaking out.
Phyllis: Well, you’re one of the bosses as well. As one of the EP’s, do you approach the series differently than you did just on a show that you weren’t involved on the other side in?
Jerry: No. First of all, I was shocked that they did that. I think it just happens. When you get older, I think they have to do it eventually. I didn’t even ask for it. To be honest, I didn’t even know what was happening until it happened. I think it’s just because I’m on set all the time. I’m just there and I don’t really do anything with that position. I think it’s just something they give you when you get old, it’s like a participation trophy.
I wish I could tell you how busy I was and how, yes, this is all part of the plan, and we all—I sit down and we really map out the entire season. I’m not sure why they gave that to me. Sorry, I wish I had a better answer for you.
Moderator: Our next question comes from the line of Chris. Please go ahead.
Chris: Hi, how are you?
Jerry: What’s up?
Chris: I’m laughing at that participation trophy thing because I’ve always wondered if you just get that. Now you’ve told me the truth.
Jerry: Yes, I guess I’m supposed to get cards made. I guess I’m supposed to go to Kinko’s and go get some cards made up that say like, Jerry O’Connell, Producer, but—
Chris: It seems like everybody who’s been on a show any length of time, or they have some stature when they go to a show, gets a producer title. That was obviously not my question, but that’s a funny answer. Thank you.
I really liked the rapport that the characters had on the show, and I’m wondering what the relationship was like between the writers and the cast and if there was any give and take with the script, if you guys got to improvise and have fun with the writing, or if they wanted you to be strict with what they had written down on the page.
Jerry: You know it’s funny, this is a procedural show. I know we make fun of procedurals because I’m a TV cop who’s telling the real cops how to solve crimes, but we stick pretty close to the script. I wish I could tell you this was like The Office and we just go there, and just have fun and games in the scenes every week, but when you write a procedural it’s pretty mapped out. Yes, we stick to the script.
Our boss, Garry Campbell comes from the Kids in the Hall world, so the scripts are pretty funny as they are. We don’t really have to add anything to them. It’s kind of a relief. It’s fun to just go there and find the meat in a scene, in a written scene. Also, I know I said it before, but working with Sydney and Kristian, and all the stars, Brenda, Varun, Dennis—God rest his soul—they’re so good and they sort of find their own things.
A lot of my part is also trying to make sure that everybody else around Carter gets their turn to shine. We have a really fun, diverse, super talented cast and, man, when you have that you sort of don’t have to make it up as you go along because there’s a plan and a procedure that’s been put in place.
Moderator: Our next question comes from the line of Karen. Please go ahead.
Jerry: What’s up?
Karen: Hi, Jerry. How you doing?
Jerry: Good.
Karen: Thanks so much for taking the call. I just was wondering, since in 30 years you’ve managed to avoid being pigeonholed—you haven’t been stuck in drama or comedy, and now you’re doing animated films, talk shows—what is your secret? How have you avoided being typecast as one thing or another?
Jerry: I don’t know. It’s funny, I’m getting ready to start work while we’re here talking about Carter, which airs on WGN America Tuesdays at 10. Everyone’s excited. I’m starting to work on this sort of Bravo show where we’re going to sort of talk about highlights of what happened that week in the Bravo verse. Oh man, and it’s going to be so fun for me because while I love all the shows on WGN America, I really do love me some Bravo. I watch every Housewives show. I go deep. I go below deck. I watch Shahs of Sunset. I’m just a huge fan and we’re going to have so much fun doing a show talking about it.
One of my coworkers here was like, hey how did you first get into this racket? It really happened because of Kelly Ripa. Before there was any sort of—when it was Regis and Kelly, if people recall, Regis had a heart procedure or something, where he took some time off. It was really Kelly Ripa who was like—I was doing a play here in New York—hey, come on the show. I had known her a little bit ironically through Andy Cohen, through Mr. Bravo himself. She said, hey come on the show. We need some co-hosts while Regis is on leave. I went in a bunch of times.
It was just like blind luck that I did it and I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed—it’s so easy when you do it with Kelly Ripa. She’s just such a natural and just so amazing at bringing the best out of anyone she’s on screen with or anyone she’s with, period. It was really Kelly Ripa that sort of got me into—I didn’t even realize I could—that was another avenue of the entertainment industry that I could do.
I thought I’d just go on auditions and get acting jobs, and it was really Kelly Ripa that really not only first asked me to do it, but then encouraged me to keep doing it. While I act in a scripted show like Carter—and I love doing it and I have a good time there—man, it’s going to be also another passion of mine to talk about what’s going on with the Real Housewives of Orange County because, man, that’s like my hard news.
Moderator: Our next question comes from the line of Tiffany.
Jerry: What’s up, Tiffany?
Tiffany: Hi. I just have another follow-up question regarding the series. I was really curious about the dynamic that arises between Harley and Dave. Obviously, they’re childhood friends and all, but it really seems like they’ve had some time away from each other, so what kind of connects them now? Why do they kind of gravitate towards each other in this?
Jerry: Man, I don’t know. Our boss, Garry Campbell, really wrote a funny role. Look, when you’re up there acting in a show, it’s all about the relationship of who you’re acting with. Everything is what’s going on with this relationship. Garry Campbell just wrote us the funniest relationship. It’s really funny, too, because in real life Kristian Bruun and I have a really funny, weirdly co-dependent relationship. I text him every day, sometimes twice a day.
It’s funny. He’s a lot like his character. He tries to be cool. I would say I’m a little more dependent on him than he is on me, but we text each other at a minimum a couple times a day, which is—I hope I don’t get in trouble for this—but it’s more than I text my wife. We’re pretty tight and I think that’s what’s so cool about how Garry wrote the characters. My character goes to Hollywood and he becomes this big star and then he moves back home. They pick up the conversation right where they left off.
It’s so fun for me watching Carter because I’m such good friends with all those people. It really makes me smile just watching those scenes. In no way am I comparing Carter to the amazing hit that Seinfeld is, but you know when you watch Seinfeld and you see Jerry almost about to crack up in every scene, when I watch Carter I can see myself about to crack up in every scene. It really makes me laugh. It makes me really enjoy the experience of watching Carter and we have a good time. Hey, but on top of it, Kristian Bruun and Sydney Poitier are just top notch actors. We’re really fortunate to have them around us. It really classes up the joint.
Tracy: Alright, well that was our last question, so I just wanted to thank everyone for joining the call. Thank you, Jerry, for jumping on the call and answering all those questions.
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